Grandmother in two said the continuation of the proverb. Full version of Russian proverbs

In folk art for any life situation there is a pair - three well-aimed expressions containing considerable wisdom and irony. We think that you yourself often remember some proverbs and sayings when the occasion is right. However, not everyone knows their full versions, and this often complements or completely changes the meaning, it would seem, famous expressions. See for yourself!

• Grandmother wondered, said in two: either rain, or snow, or will, or not.
• Poverty is not a vice, but much worse.
• In a healthy body healthy mind - rare luck.
• lucky like sabbath drowned man - You don't need to heat the bath.
• Live a century - age learn to live.
• A raven will not peck out a crow's eye, and peck out, but not pull it out.
• It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines, and walk on them.
• Goal like a falcon and sharp as an axe.
• Hunger is not an aunt, won't bring a pie.
• The lip is not a fool, the tongue is not a spatula, he knows what is sweet
• Two of a Kind, both left.
• Girlish shame - to the threshold, stepped over and forgot.
• The work of the master is afraid, and another craftsman.
• Road spoon to dinner and there at least under the bench.
• The law is not written for fools, if it is written, then it is not read, if it is read, then it is not understood, if it is understood, then it is not so.
• Fool at least a stake, he puts his two.
• They give two unbeaten for a beaten one, but they don’t hurt, they take it.
• Chasing two hares - not one wild boar you won't catch.
• Hare legs are worn the teeth feed the wolf, the tail protects the fox.
• Both ours and yours let's sleep for a penny!
• And business time, and fun hour.
• A mosquito will not knock down a horse, until the bear helps.
• Who remembers the old - that eye out, and whoever forgets - both.
• The hen pecks at the grain, and the whole yard is in the litter.
• Down and Out trouble started - there is a hole, there will be a hole.
• Do not open your mouth at someone else's loaf, get up early and start your own.
• Every day is not Sunday, there will be a post.
• Neither fish nor fowl, neither caftan nor cassock.
• A new broom sweeps in a new way, and when it breaks, it lies under the bench.
• There is safety in numbers, but a traveler.
• Horses die from work and people are getting stronger.
• Double edged stick hitting here and there.
• Repetition is the mother of learning consolation of fools.
• A rolling stone gathers no moss, and under the rolling - does not have time.
• Dust column, smoke rocker, but the hut is not heated, not swept.
• Drunken sea knee-deep, and the puddle is up to your ears.
• Work is not a wolf, it will not run away into the forest, because it, accursed, must be done.
• Grow big, don't be a noodle stretch a mile, but do not be simple.
• Hand washes hand yes, they both itch.
• Birds of a feather flock together, that's why it bypasses it.
• You get along with a bee - you get a honey, contact with a beetle - you will find yourself in manure.
• Blame from a sick head to a healthy one not difficult.
• Seven troubles - one answer, the eighth trouble - absolutely nowhere.
• The dog lies in the hay she does not eat and does not give to cattle.
• The dog was eaten choked on their tail.
• Old age is not joy if you sit down, you won't get up; if you run, you won't stop.
• Fear has big eyes, yeah, they don't see anything.
• mind chamber, yes the key is lost.
• Bread on the table - and the table is the throne, and not a piece of bread - and a board table.
• You never know, while God sleeps!
• Miracles in a sieve - There are a lot of holes, but there is nowhere to jump out.
• sewn-covered, and the knot is here.
• My tongue is my enemy, before the mind prowls, looking for trouble.

As you can see, the missed continuations of proverbs and sayings not only make them more detailed in content, but often radically change the meaning of what was said. In addition, there are a number of sayings that we use in their full version, but we completely misunderstand their essence. Here are some examples.

Every family has its black sheep
Wishing to justify the appearance of an impious person in a large family, we habitually say: well, it happens - in a family there is a black sheep. Or we give a different shade: in any company there is sure to be one unlucky one. But our language says otherwise: “freak” means standing “at the clan”, located under its reliable protection and patronage. And that's why they used to call a "freak" not a sick disabled person, but the first child - the strongest, most beautiful, most intelligent, who took everything first and best from young parents. And the couple was called a family only after the birth of their first child. "Freak" is on some Slavic languages means "beauty". That is, initially the proverb was laid down very deep meaning: "without a child - this is not a family yet", "a family cannot be without a first child." Thus, the whole village, all relatives, as it were, convinced the young spouses to give birth to an heir as soon as possible in order to become a full-fledged family and increase the strength of their kind-tribe.

My house is on the edge
Misinterpretation: "get away, get away from me, I don't know anything." This is what we say today, but earlier, those people whose huts stood on the edge of the village had a special responsibility - they were the first to meet any danger, whether it was an attack by enemies, a forest fire, a spring flood of a river or a rapidly racing herd of horses. They were the ones who had to fight back. Therefore, "in the huts on the edge" lived the most daring and strong people. Choosing a place for a house on the edge of the village, its owner, as it were, said to his fellow villagers: "I will protect the peace of all." Readiness for self-sacrifice has always been characteristic of the Russian people, which is reflected in this proverb.

Your shirt is closer to your body
Yes, unfortunately, many contemporaries have now acquired a false belief that their own interest is the most precious thing, and nothing should harm personal gain. However, our ancestors uttered these words in a completely different environment. At the funeral of a warrior who fell with honor in battle, his brothers took off their linen or linen shirts and laid them in the grave - as close as possible to the body of the deceased relative. Thus, they showed how they loved him, how dear he was to them ...

In folk art, for any life situation, there is a couple - three well-aimed expressions containing considerable wisdom and irony. We think that you yourself often remember some proverbs and sayings when the occasion is right. However, not everyone knows their full versions, and this often complements or completely changes the meaning of seemingly well-known expressions. See for yourself!

• Grandmother wondered, said in two: either rain, or snow, or will, or not.
• Poverty is not a vice, but much worse.
• In a healthy body healthy mind - rare luck.
• lucky like sabbath drowned man - You don't need to heat the bath.
• Live a century - age learn to live.
• A raven will not peck out a crow's eye, and peck out, but not pull it out.
• It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines, and walk on them.
• Goal like a falcon and sharp as an axe.
• Hunger is not an aunt, won't bring a pie.
• The lip is not a fool, the tongue is not a spatula, he knows what is sweet
• Two of a Kind, both left.
• Girlish shame - to the threshold, stepped over and forgot.
• The work of the master is afraid, and another craftsman.
• Road spoon to dinner and there at least under the bench.
• The law is not written for fools, if it is written, then it is not read, if it is read, then it is not understood, if it is understood, then it is not so.
• Fool at least a stake, he puts his two.
• They give two unbeaten for a beaten one, but they don’t hurt, they take it.
• Chasing two hares - not one wild boar you won't catch.
• Hare legs are worn the teeth feed the wolf, the tail protects the fox.
• Both ours and yours let's sleep for a penny!
• And business time, and fun hour.
• A mosquito will not knock down a horse, until the bear helps.
• Who remembers the old - that eye out, and whoever forgets - both.
• The hen pecks at the grain, and the whole yard is in the litter.
• Down and Out trouble started - there is a hole, there will be a hole.
• Do not open your mouth at someone else's loaf, get up early and start your own.
• Every day is not Sunday, there will be a post.
• Neither fish nor fowl, neither caftan nor cassock.
• A new broom sweeps in a new way, and when it breaks, it lies under the bench.
• There is safety in numbers, but a traveler.
• Horses die from work and people are getting stronger.
• Double edged stick hitting here and there.
• Repetition is the mother of learning consolation of fools.
• A rolling stone gathers no moss, and under the rolling - does not have time.
• Dust column, smoke rocker, but the hut is not heated, not swept.
• Drunken sea knee-deep, and the puddle is up to your ears.
• Work is not a wolf, it will not run away into the forest, because it, accursed, must be done.
• Grow big, don't be a noodle stretch a mile, but do not be simple.
• Hand washes hand yes, they both itch.
• Birds of a feather flock together, that's why it bypasses it.
• You get along with a bee - you get a honey, contact with a beetle - you will find yourself in manure.
• Blame from a sick head to a healthy one not difficult.
• Seven troubles - one answer, the eighth trouble - absolutely nowhere.
• The dog lies in the hay she does not eat and does not give to cattle.
• The dog was eaten choked on their tail.
• Old age is not joy if you sit down, you won't get up; if you run, you won't stop.
• Fear has big eyes, yeah, they don't see anything.
• mind chamber, yes the key is lost.
• Bread on the table - and the table is the throne, and not a piece of bread - and a board table.
• You never know, while God sleeps!
• Miracles in a sieve - There are a lot of holes, but there is nowhere to jump out.
• sewn-covered, and the knot is here.
• My tongue is my enemy, before the mind prowls, looking for trouble.

As you can see, the missed continuations of proverbs and sayings not only make them more detailed in content, but often radically change the meaning of what was said. In addition, there are a number of sayings that we use in their full version, but we completely misunderstand their essence. Here are some examples.

Every family has its black sheep
Wishing to justify the appearance of an impious person in a large family, we habitually say: well, it happens - in a family there is a black sheep. Or we give a different shade: in any company there is sure to be one unlucky one. But our language says otherwise: “ugly” means standing “at the clan”, under its reliable protection and patronage. And that's why they used to call a "freak" not a sick disabled person, but the first child - the strongest, most beautiful, most intelligent, who took everything first and best from young parents. And the couple was called a family only after the birth of their first child. "Uroda" is in some Slavic languages ​​means "beauty". That is, initially a very deep meaning was laid in the proverb: “without a child, this is not a family yet”, “a family cannot be without a first child”. Thus, the whole village, all relatives, as it were, convinced the young spouses to give birth to an heir as soon as possible in order to become a full-fledged family and increase the strength of their kind-tribe.

My house is on the edge
Misinterpretation: "get away, get away from me, I don't know anything." This is what we say today, but earlier, those people whose huts stood on the edge of the village had a special responsibility - they were the first to meet any danger, whether it was an attack by enemies, a forest fire, a spring flood of a river or a rapidly racing herd of horses. They were the ones who had to fight back. Therefore, "in the huts on the edge" lived the most courageous and strong people. Choosing a place for a house on the edge of the village, its owner, as it were, said to his fellow villagers: "I will protect the peace of all." Readiness for self-sacrifice has always been characteristic of the Russian people, which is reflected in this proverb.

Your shirt is closer to your body
Yes, unfortunately, many contemporaries have now acquired a false belief that their own interest is the most precious thing, and nothing should harm personal gain. However, our ancestors uttered these words in a completely different environment. At the funeral of a warrior who fell with honor in battle, his brothers took off their linen or linen shirts and laid them in the grave - as close as possible to the body of the deceased relative. Thus, they showed how they loved him, how dear he was to them ...

We all know many proverbs, but often do not realize that they have a continuation. Sometimes it was lost in the mists of time, sometimes it was invented by some witty person for good famous proverb, but, one way or another, often it opens new meaning old truth. And sometimes this continuation exists in several versions that turn a well-known idea into a completely different side ... Here is what I have managed to find so far, although there are probably many more such examples.

Grandmother wondered, said in two: whether rain, or snow, whether it will be, or not.

Poverty is not a vice, much worse / twice as bad.

In a healthy body healthy mind - rare luck / rare occurrence / rarity.

Lucky, like a Saturday drowned man, - no need to heat the bath.

A raven will not peck out a crow's eye, and peck out, but not pull out.

It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines, and walk along them.

Goal like a falcon and sharp as an ax.

Hunger is not an aunt, but a dear mother.
Hunger is not an aunt - do not drive into the forest.
Hunger is not an aunt - pie will not slip / will not bring.
Lip no fool, tongue is not a shovel - knows where it's sweet.
Two of a Kind, yes both left / yes both on one foot.

Girlish shame - to the threshold, overstepped and forgot.

The work of the master is afraid, and another craftsman.

Road spoon to dinner and there at least under the bench.
Fool at least a stake, he puts his two.
Wait sense, put your teeth on the shelf!

For the beaten they give two unbeaten, Yes, it doesn't hurt, they take.

If you chase two hares, you won't catch a single boar.

They carry the hare's legs, feed the wolf's teeth, protect the fox's tail. (This is the full version of the well-known proverb “The legs feed the wolf.”)

And eat a fish and ride on a taratayka.

A mosquito will not knock down a horse, until the bear helps.
A penny ribbed seem like a ruble.
Whoever remembers the old is out of sight / out, and whoever forgets the old - both (out).

The hen pecks at the grain, and the whole yard is in the litter.

Down and Out trouble started, and the end is near.
Down and Out trouble started: there is a hole, there will be a hole.

Love is blind, and goats use it.

Young is green, it is ordered to take a walk.

The young scold - (only) amuse, and the old people scold - rage.

Do not open your mouth at someone else's loaf, get up early and start your own.

Our business is small / veal: ate - and in the back.
Every day is not Sunday, there will be a post / there will be a great post.

The woodpecker is not sad that he cannot sing, and so the whole forest hears it.
Teach your grandmother to suck eggs, eat smoked / baked shit. (I apologize, but you can’t throw away words from a proverb, like from a song.)
Neither fish nor fowl, neither caftan nor cassock.

A new broom sweeps in a new way, but when it breaks, it lies under the bench.

Alone in the field is not a warrior, but a traveler.

Horses die from work and people are getting stronger.

A double-edged sword, hitting back and forth.
The rooster also thought marry a cook, but got into the soup.
Repetition is the mother of learning consolation of fools / and refuge for lazy people.

Dust column, smoke rocker, but the hut is not heated, not swept.
Drunk - knee-deep sea, and choke in a puddle.
Drunken sea knee-deep, a puddle up to the ears / up to the top.

Work is not a wolf, it will not run into the forest, because it, accursed, must be done.

Grow big, don't be a noodle stretch a mile, but don't be simple.
The hand washes the hand, the thief hides the thief.
The hand washes the hand, but both are itching.

Birds of a feather flock together, therefore bypasses.

Get along with the bee - get the honey, contact with a beetle - you will find yourself in manure.

Seven troubles - one answer, the eighth trouble - absolutely nowhere.
God help the brave and the devil shakes the drunk.

God owns the brave and the devil shakes drunk.

Dog in the manger lies, she does not eat and does not give cattle.
Ate the dog (yes only) choked on his tail.
Dog life: you need to lie, but there is nothing.
old horse will not spoil the furrows, Yes, it plows shallowly / Yes, it doesn’t plow deeply / Yes, it plows shallowly.

Fear has big eyes, yes they don't see anything.
Mind chamber, but the key is lost.
Bread (-salt) on the table - and the table is the throne, but not a piece of bread - and the table is a board.

Trouble - full mouth, and nothing to eat.
Miracles in a sieve - everything is in holes, but the water does not spill.
Miracles in a sieve - there are many holes, but there is nowhere to go out / and there is nowhere to jump out.

Sewn-covered, and the knot is here.
I am not me, and the horse is not mine, and I am not a cabman.

My tongue is my enemy: before the mind speaks.

My tongue is my enemy, before the mind prowls, looking for trouble.

(According to the Internet)

Some of those proverbs and sayings that we have known for many years were not quite the same in the original. Or have become not quite the same over time. Oral folk art was rarely recorded before and, passing from one generation to another, could lose some part and be transformed semantically. And sometimes their meaning was changed through the centuries by our contemporaries, guessing according to the mood or new realities.

Grandmother wondered, said in two: either rain, or snow, or it will be, or not.

Poverty is not a vice, but much worse.

A healthy mind in a healthy body is a rare blessing.

Lucky as a Saturday drowned man - you don’t need to heat the bathhouse.

A raven will not peck out a crow's eye, but it will peck out, but not pull it out.

It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines, and walk along them.

Goal like a falcon, but sharp like an axe.

Hunger is not an aunt, she will not bring a pie.

The lip is not a fool, the tongue is not a shovel.

Two pair of boots, both left.

A fool at least a stake, he puts his two.

Girlish shame - to the threshold, stepped over and forgot.

The road is a spoon for dinner, and there at least under the bench.

They give two unbeaten for a beaten one, but they don’t hurt, they take it.

If you chase two hares, you won't catch a single boar.

Hare legs are worn. the teeth feed the wolf, the tail protects the fox.

And business time, and fun hour.

A mosquito will not knock down a horse until the bear helps.

Whoever remembers the old - that's out of the eye, and whoever forgets - both of them.

The hen pecks grain by grain, and the whole yard is in litter.

Dashing trouble is the beginning - there is a hole, there will be a tear.

The young scold - they amuse themselves, and the old men scold - they rage.

Don’t open your mouth at someone else’s loaf, get up early and start your own.

Not all cats have Shrove Tuesday, there will be fasting.

The woodpecker does not grieve that he cannot sing, and so the whole forest hears him.

No fish, no meat, no caftan, no cassock.

A new broom sweeps in a new way, but when it breaks, it lies under the bench.

Alone in the field is not a warrior, but a traveler.

Horses die from work, and people get stronger.

A double-edged sword that hits here and there.

Repetition is the mother of learning, the consolation of fools.

The drunken sea is knee-deep, and the puddle is up to the ears.

Dust is a column, smoke is a rocker, but the hut is not heated, not swept.

Work is not a wolf, it will not run away into the forest, therefore it must be done, accursed.

Grow big, but don't be noodles, stretch a verst, but don't be simple.

The hand washes the hand, but both are itching.

The fisherman sees the fisherman from afar, and therefore bypasses the side.

You get along with a bee - you get a honey, you contact a beetle - you find yourself in manure.

The dog lies in the hay, does not eat itself and does not give to the cattle.

They ate the dog, choked on their tail.

The old horse will not spoil the furrow, and it will not plow deeply.

Fear has big eyes, but they see nothing.

Mind chamber, but the key is lost.

Bread on the table - and the table is a throne, but not a piece of bread - and the table is a board.

There are miracles in the sieve - there are many holes, but there is nowhere to jump out.

It is sewn-covered, and the knot is here.

My tongue is my enemy, before the mind prowls, looking for trouble.

Comments:

OrangeMc May 12, 2012 12:22 pm If you don't whistle for money, there won't be any - this is how the famous saying originally sounded

Ilya May 12, 2012 12:44 pm

Egir Chepikov May 12, 2012 02:05 pm Wow, how is it!! and I think they don’t roll sayings in the current version))

SomersetAntolo May 12, 2012 14:13 I have long understood the meaning of sayings, proverbs need to be thought about, it is not as simple as it seems, and in many it is already lost, and there are unmeasured manipulations at their expense, and jokes are full of good and bad

Basharkevich May 12, 2012 02:40 pm "Repetition is the mother of learning, the consolation of fools." I knew, I felt!!!)))) ... never liked this saying))

Alexey Evstefeev May 16, 2012 20:58 Everything is so. This is a translation from Latin. Also translated from Latin is "Repetition is the mother of learning and a refuge for lazy people."

Oksanka Gadzhiy May 13, 2012 18:15 I would like to take the source of such a philological "research". And somehow I don't believe in everything

Anna Kolesnichenko May 15, 2012 20:17 pm I agree, some of them are attracted and devoid of semantic meaning, especially regarding the option: The slower you go, the further you will be from the place where you are going. and what is the wisdom of the people? what is the depth of thought?

A_E_Shibaeva May 16, 2012 10:03 am Support! Also confused by this proverb, what is the meaning? And about “Work is not a wolf, it won’t run away into the forest, therefore it must be done, damn it,” the meaning is clear, but the syllable is not particularly similar to the proverb. In general, everything is somehow suspicious ... philologists are unfinished.

Sergey Kochan October 27, 2012 17:51 Another conclusion can be drawn here. Due to the fact that the proverb turns out to be too cumbersome, the people preferred to shorten its original version, but in those days, people knew the true meaning and therefore they understood the meaning of what was said.

Sergey Kochan October 27, 2012 17:49 Since the meaning is clear... We mean that if we drive more slowly and more confidently, we will eventually arrive. And here it turns out that the longer a person thinks and "slows down", then most likely he will be in the "flight" and miss the opportunity.

Alexander May 17, 2012 17:58 I agree. More like the later "creativity" of Zadornov for the sake of excitement.
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yanka.slatov July 8, 2012 03:23 pm Alexander, you yourself look more like "late arrogance of the fence" ***
*** Read like: " Late creativity Zadornov"

Marina Mandarin 09 November 2012 18:41 I cannot agree. I have many proverbs in full form as given here and knew from the lips of my grandparents)

KingOmetaL on May 21, 2012 04:34 PM "... which were actually longer or have become longer recently."

Oksanka Gadzhiy 04 June 2012 12:20 I read carefully. It says that these proverbs were longer. But nowhere does it say that these are conjectural options, and not the original ones.

Vladimir May 14, 2012 09:27 "They carry water on the offended" ... The saying has such an option as: "they carry water on the angry, but they ride on the good"

Kobozev May 14, 2012 11:32 am Something has been reduced without losing any sense.
Precisely heard the full versions for the following:
Two boots and both left (from father)
Grandmother said in two, whether it will be, or not (from the mother, when he asked about the meaning of the saying)
Whoever remembers the old - that's out of the eye, and whoever forgets - both of them. (heard it more than once, still used today)
A bird pecks grain by grain, but it is full (instead of a chicken and litter, I recently heard it in a movie of the late Soviet era)
Not all cats have Shrove Tuesday, there will be fasting. (from grandmother)

It seems I heard from my grandmother in childhood, I can’t vouch:
Grow big, but don't be noodles, stretch a verst, but don't be simple.
No fish, no meat, no caftan, no cassock.

Katya Sharapova May 16, 2012 10:26 a.m. I'm not a fool there. My grandmother generally says "The lip is not a fool, the tongue is not a spatula, she knows what is sweet."

Valentin Voronov May 14, 2012 12:20 pm If you hit your right cheek, turn your left cheek, but don't let yourself be hit.

one employee May 14, 2012 12:28 "Hunger is not an aunt, but a dear mother," - I heard that. Invented in times of famine in Russia.

Sergey Kochan October 27, 2012 18:11 Perhaps they could change it for themselves for that particular period. If we take only "hunger is not an aunt," then it is very difficult to understand the meaning of what has been said. Therefore, the continuation about the pie sounds quite logical.

Anton Nesterov May 14, 2012 13:03 I agree with Oksana, although I am ready to believe that many sayings were tailored to a specific situation

sergey.u.petrov May 14, 2012 13:34 And there is also "The law is not written for fools, if it is written, then it is not read, if it is read, then it is not understood, if it is understood, then it is wrong"

VelosiFed May 15, 2012 07:23 PM
Always check the sources of information about what you want or really don't want to believe.
A few minutes of Google shows - most of the "primordial" sayings here are nonsense and misinformation.
And those that are not nonsense have decreased, but have not lost their significance.

drylov May 15, 2012 9:18 pm Quite right. If the expression is fixed in this form, then this does not mean that we are dealing with the "original" version. Moreover, there can be a mulion of options for continuing. "Old age is not joy, a hump is not self-interest; old age is not joy, either a hump or a keel, but otherwise both; old age is not joy, not red days; old age is not joy, but there is no one to kill; old age is not joy, where are my seventeen years"; or - "neither a stake, nor a yard, nor a partition; neither a stake, nor a yard, nor a peretyrka; neither a stake, nor a yard, nor a fence; neither a stake, nor a yard, nor a chicken feather; neither a stake, nor a yard, nor a small (cute) belly"; or - "the hand washes the hand, both want to live (to be) white; the hand washes the hand, both are clean (white) live (are); the hand washes the hand, the thief of the thief (the rogue of the rogue) hides." It's like considering the original expression like "the farther into the forest, the more firewood, the further into the dispute, the more words", and even better" the farther into the forest, the thicker the partisans. "Or" the orderly, having mischievous hands, hooks, fingers, a rake, the whole lining is one pocket. .d.

I can give a couple more "original expressions" that are not here:
Miracle marvelous wonder marvelous: from a black cow, yes white milk
we Tatars don't care: retreat run and advance run
and ours and yours will dance for a penny
you can’t put a cut slice on bread
all sorts of things and ham and rust;
With your holy prayers, we prop ourselves up like poles
lead a blind man under a monastery
keep the bow of the ship to the wind
everyone has their own hobby - there was also an option: everyone has their own rattle

Here is a little more
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KingOmetaL May 21, 2012 04:35 PM This is not misinformation, at the beginning of the article it is said about the proverbs "which actually were longer or became longer recently."
No one says that the proverbs are given here in their original (ancient) version. Only in full.

Sorry for repeating my post. Now I really want to teach someone to read carefully.

Denis Chigaev May 15, 2012 19:26 In the process of their functioning, the proverbs naturally shortened, because, according to the speakers, the meaning was better conveyed in the abbreviated version. So there is nothing special about it, it is a live speech. In most of the examples, the expressions have simply gotten rid of the ballast.
And "It was smooth on paper ..." - this is the first and last poem by Leo Tolstoy, by the way.

Alexey Evstefeev May 16, 2012 21:06 Proverbs could be shortened not intentionally, but in quoting mode. Suppose I assume that my listener is in context and knows the entire proverb. I have nothing to bring her completely. I'm just hinting at the situation, and everything is clear.
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Polina Strizhak May 16, 2012 09:19 am I remember the first course of philology. Not everything here, of course, is from folklore, there is a lot of garbage. And here it is from there:
And ours, and yours FOR A PENNY SPLASH!
Old age is not a joy, SIT down - DO NOT Rise, RUN - DO NOT STOP.

dorosenko May 17, 2012 13:08 That's just "we'll dance for a penny for ours and yours", although it is cited in textbooks as a typical example of turning a proverb into a saying, it may well be a late continuation.

And "work is time and fun is an hour" - an example of not even a reduction, but a rethinking in connection with a change in the language. Firstly, the union "a" began to be used only in the opposite sense, while it used to be a synonym for "and", and secondly, "hour" was no longer perceived as a synonym for the word time, but retained only the meaning "twenty-fourth of the day" > " short period of time."

Well, about a cat with Shrovetide, about a dog in the hay and eaten, and much more - well-known things, and in most cases, the abbreviated version, as already mentioned, is perceived in the same meaning as the full one.
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Alexey Ovchinnikov May 16, 2012 13:19 Partly true, but something tells me that most of"primordial sayings" - Petrosianism.

rngr May 17, 2012 11:37 AM they also say about old age:
Old age is not joy, and youth is not joy.

Mikhail Uzhov May 17, 2012 17:53 For lack of fish and cancer - fish, for birdless and ass - nightingale.

Bel Amor May 17, 2012 18:43 live forever, learn a century - and you will die a fool.
also from some similar "study". historical accuracy is not guaranteed.

Rusinmd May 17, 2012 21:11 “Don't open your mouth at someone else's loaf, get up early and start your own”, here.

andruhov May 17, 2012 21:32 It's good that the author knows how the proverbs sounded in the original. It is a pity that he did not indicate where and under what circumstances he happened to get acquainted with the original.

Edward Ermolaev May 17, 2012 23:03 Proverbs of the Russian people: Collection of V. Dahl: in 2 volumes. M. Hood. lit. 1984
- The collection includes not only proverbs, but also sayings, riddles, signs, etc.

arcasha May 18, 2012 21:05 At the first one, I remembered:
May be rain, may be snow
May be yes, may be no

Belchansky May 19, 2012 22:34 Regarding the discussion about "Petrosianism". For me, if they did, what difference does it make when, since it turned out cool? I suspect that's exactly what happened. There are always such witty jokers - you give them a word, and they give you two. And so that the meaning of what you said is turned inside out. So proverbs are obtained from sayings, and antitheses from proverbs. Or whatever it's called. :) This is very convenient by the way, according to the situation. That's when you want to say something clever - you say half of the phrase. And when you - then you bam so! - You shine with wit and demonstrate knowledge of folklore. :)

KingOmetaL May 21, 2012 04:31 PM Dear discussers, read the article carefully:
"... which were actually longer or have become longer recently."
Nobody says that the proverbs are given in the original (ancient) version.

Dmitry Sinobi July 10, 2012 12:20 pm If you read carefully, it doesn't say that they "became longer recently" as you say. "Or become not quite the same over time" may mean that they contracted more recently, and did not lengthen the day before yesterday

Alexander Pozdnyakov May 23, 2012 09:35 > ​​And when you - then you bam so!
Well, yes, kind of teak:
"You don't kick a gift horse in the mouth"
"go hunting - feed the wolves"
"don't spit in the well - you won't catch up with it"
...

simbelmeyn June 19, 2012 10:16 am remembered: "the law is not written for fools, if it is written, then it is not read, if it is read, then it is not understood, if it is understood, then it is wrong"

Mania Grandiosa July 05, 2012 23:20 According to Michelson, the proverb "There is fish in the absence of fish and cancer" has such synonyms as "Meat in the field and beetle", "Thomas is a nobleman in the desert", "In the dark and rotten shines".

Volos July 23, 2012 21:08 Question: The hair is long, but the mind is short.
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Nikolai Moiseev July 29, 2012 04:11 PM Repetition is the mother of learning, excessive repetition is ... the mother

mashkoffsergey August 20, 2012 12:22 pm In a healthy body, a healthy mind is actually one of the two!

Using in his speech well-known catchphrases, for example from literary classics or popular films, we often don't even finish them. Firstly, most often we see from the face of the interlocutor that we read the same books with him and watched the same films, and it is clear to us that we understood each other. Secondly, many phrases are so recognizable by everyone that their second half have not been spoken for a long time. But another generation will come and think that all wisdom is only in this short phrase, not knowing about her understatement, losing original meaning! This happened with many sayings and proverbs. We pronounce them, thinking that we understand their meaning from the cradle, but ... Apparently, our ancestors also did not bother to finish speaking them, leaving us only their first halves as a legacy ...

Let's try to look for the original meaning by returning the endings to the proverbs. Let's start with proverbs that have lost only part of their meaning: everything seems to be correct, but something is missing, something is left unsaid.

Hunger is not an aunt, won't bring a pie.

Do not open your mouth at someone else's loaf, get up early and start your own.

Take it out, put it down; give birth, give.

Small spool but precious; the stump is great, but rotten.

Young scold - amuse, and the old people scold - rage.

Everything is clear with these proverbs - there is only some reticence in them, and the returned part reinforces the meaning folk wisdom. It is more difficult with those proverbs and sayings, the meaning of which, with the loss of their second part, has completely changed!

How often we heard from adults in childhood: "In a healthy body healthy mind!"? It seems that the meaning is beyond doubt, and we repeat the same thing to our children, for example, forcing them to do morning exercises. But it originally sounded like this: "A healthy mind in a healthy body is rare." That's how he wrote Decimus Junius Juvenal, Roman satirist, in his Satires. This is what it means to take words out of context, which is abused by many in our time. The meaning, it turns out, was invested completely different!

Drunken sea knee-deep- it is clear that in a state of intoxication a person does not care, but in reality? Drunken sea knee-deep, and the puddle is up to your ears.

Mind chamber! So very clever man and his opinion is worth listening to. And if you return the ending? mind chamber, yes the key is lost!

Repetition is the mother of learning! Well, what else could it mean? And you ask Ovid, these are his words: "Repetition is the mother of learning and the refuge of donkeys (comfort of fools)."

The meaning of many proverbs without their lost part is generally unclear! Why would it say: Lucky, as a drowned man". But if you restore the entire text, then everything will fall into place:

Lucky like sabbath drowned - You don't have to heat the bath! So luck is only on the side of those who drowned on Saturday - they don’t have to heat the bathhouse, saving on the household!

The hen pecks at the grain - that is, each deed is done little by little , but return the ending and everything will appear in a different light . The hen pecks at the grain , and the whole yard in the litter!

As soon as a new boss appears at work and starts innovation, someone will definitely say: "The new broom sweeps in a new way!". But the whole point is in the second half: “A new broom sweeps in a new way, but when it breaks, it lies under the bench.

When, for example, previously unfamiliar like-minded people meet, passionate about one thing or people of the same profession, they say : "Birds of a feather flock together". And in fact it was: "Birds of a feather flock together, that's why it bypasses it." After all, where one is already catching fish, the second has nothing to do!

Here's another unknown endings famous proverbs.

Grandmother [ wondered] in two said [ whether rain, or snow, whether it will be, or not].

Poverty is not a vice [ and twice as bad].

A crow will not peck out a crow's eye and peck out, but not pull out].

It was smooth on paper [ Yes, they forgot about the ravines, and walk along them].

Goal like a falcon and sharp as an ax].

Hunger is not aunt [ won't bring a pie].

Lip no fool [ tongue is not a shovel].

Two of a Kind [ yes both left].

Girlish shame - to the threshold [ overstepped and forgot].

The case of the master is afraid [ and another craftsman].

Road spoon to dinner [ and there at least under the bench].

A fool at least a stake [ he puts his two].

For a beaten two unbeaten give [ Yes, it doesn't hurt, they take].

Chasing two hares - not one wild boar] you won't catch.

Hare feet wear [ the teeth feed the wolf, the tail protects the fox].

[And] business time, [ and] fun hour.

A mosquito will not knock down a horse [ until the bear helps].

Whoever remembers the old - that eye out [ and whoever forgets - both].

The hen pecks grain by grain [ and the whole yard is in the litter].

Down and Out trouble started [ there is a hole, there will be a hole].

Young scold - amuse [ and the old people scold - rage].

Do not open your mouth at someone else's loaf [ get up early and start your own].

Every day is not Sunday [ there will be a post].

The woodpecker does not grieve that he cannot sing [ and so the whole forest hears it].

Alone in the field is not a warrior [ and the traveler].

Horses die from work [ and people are getting stronger].

Stick, double-edged [ hitting here and there].

Repetition is the mother of learning consolation of fools].

Repetition is the mother of learning and a haven for the lazy].

Drunken sea knee-deep [ and the puddle is up to your ears].

Dust pillar, smoke rocker [ but the hut is not heated, not swept].

Grow big, [ Yes] don't be a noodle [ stretch a mile, but don't be simple].

You get along with a bee - you get a honey [ contact with a beetle - you will find yourself in manure].

Seven troubles - one answer [ the eighth trouble - absolutely nowhere].

Dog in the manger [ lies, she does not eat and does not give to cattle].

The old horse will not spoil the furrow [ and it won't plow deep].

Fear has big eyes [ yes they don't see anything].

Mind Chamber [ yes the key is lost].

Bread on the table - and the table is the throne [ but not a piece of bread - and a table].

Miracles in a sieve [ Lots of holes, but nowhere to jump out].

Covered [ and the knot is here].

My tongue is my enemy [ before the mind prowls, looking for trouble].